>> well, this is ron -- >> ron, i'm sorry. >> no, i think senator mccain makes some very good points about susan rice, and i think he's clearly frustrated about her comments that were made. i think he's frustrated about the fact she came to capitol hill and wasn't able to convince him nor lindsey graham or senator susan collins that she would be a good nominee to be secretary of state. so, you know, i think that's what you're hearing in his voice right now is a lot of frustration. >> i'm not only talking about this particular issue. we're going to get into the meat of that, but i'm talking about other issues, fiscal cliff and on and on and on. it just appears that way. lena, you heard some people talking about civil leaders with atrocities. how do you think that will play into it? >> i think that will become a point of discussion, but what was said about her written role in africa, it's very nuanced and i think very biased. i think if she is nominated, and we have to remember she has not been nominated yet, then this need to be an issue where she's given a chance to actually discuss